Joe Pine on Identity, the Missing Ingredient in Customer-Centric Leadership
What if the real goal of customer experience isn't delivering better experiences at all?
Joe Pine argues we're entering the next stage of economic value creation, where organizations create value by helping people become who they aspire to be. At the heart of it: transformation requires identity change.
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Originally aired June 18, 2026 as Episode 164 of The Trusted Guide Podcast.
What we cover
Why transformation is fundamentally about identity
The difference between experiences and transformations
What organizations miss when they focus only on satisfaction
How identity creates deeper loyalty and engagement
Why change leadership means helping people become, not just do
Help people become
Joe's idea applies inside organizations too. When we ask stakeholders to change, we're often asking them to see themselves differently.
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About the guest
Joe Pine is co-author of The Experience Economy.
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